Piebald 66% Hets, Help!

Just curious, The breeder ive been working with has Piebald 66% hets for 100/male and 400/female. If i would get the Male piebald, and breed it with a Normal Female, would i still get 66% of the piebalds? Thanks for any insight.

66% Hets means that .....each animal has a 66% chance of being het pied and a 33% chance of being completely normal. If you got a male homozygous pied and bred it to a normal female you would get 100% hets. If you breed a 66% het pied to a normal female you may get normals...you may get het pieds...it all depends on if you 66% het pied male is het pied or normal. You need to breed two 100% het pieds together to get a homo. pied.

Ok, so what would be the point of selling 66% hets then, if all they would make is more hets, So basically if i buy a male or female at 66%, i'll just get regulars with the gene right? Sorry for the questions, im kinda new. Thanks

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Originally Posted by white_gorilla_x

Ok, so what would be the point of selling 66% hets then, if all they would make is more hets, So basically if i buy a male or female at 66%, i'll just get regulars with the gene right? Sorry for the questions, im kinda new. Thanks

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You do understand that a 66% het "looks" just like a normal ball python right?

It just may or may not be carrying the gene to make piebalds. You have to put in the work in order to figure that out ... that's why they're so affordable.

If you make the purchase, you'll have to raise it up ... breed it to a female ... keep all (or some, but all is a better idea) of the female offspring ... raise them up for 3 years and breed them either back to their dad or to another known het pied male (or pied male). If you get pieds, you'll know that you're 66% het male was in fact carrying the gene ... if you don't get pieds, then he either isn't carrying the gene or you just missed on the odds.

The point of selling possible hets is that for someone that has more time and patience than money, they are a great way of getting into a very expensive breeding project. ;)

-adam

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

66% Hets means that .....each animal has a 66% chance of being het pied and a 33% chance of being completely normal. If you got a male homozygous pied and bred it to a normal female you would get 100% hets. If you breed a 66% het pied to a normal female you may get normals...you may get het pieds...it all depends on if you 66% het pied male is het pied or normal. You need to breed two 100% het pieds together to get a homo. pied.

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Now could he get pieds if he bought a few of the 66% het females and bought a 100% het pied male? What would the percentage possibilities be then?

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Originally Posted by white_gorilla_x

Ok, so what would be the point of selling 66% hets then, if all they would make is more hets, So basically if i buy a male or female at 66%, i'll just get regulars with the gene right? Sorry for the questions, im kinda new. Thanks

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66% hets are just a cheaper alternative to 100% hets. Hets are a cheaper alternative to Homozygous animals (the Piebalds in your case). Pieds can cost anywhere from $4000 and up, so many people prefer to use hets as a cheaper route to making the expensive homozygous snakes.

The thing with the 66% hets is that you are gambling that you are getting a 100% het snake, and that's why they are also much cheaper than a 100% het.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Now could he get pieds if he bought a few of the 66% het females and bought a 100% het pied male? What would the percentage possibilities be then?

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Of course, but only if the 66% het turns out to be a true Het (100%). If you don't get any pieds from that mating, there is a good chance that the 66% het is not a het at all, but just a normal. You have a 25% chance of getting a Pied from a HetxHet pair.

If you get a 100% het male pied, and a 66% het female, you still have odds of getting some hets, some normals and possibily a pied.
The 66% means you are not sure if it carries the pied gene or not, and it is NOT pied in looks. IF you get one that does carry the gene(and you have decent odds if you get more than one 66% het female) THEN you may get some actual pieds. YOu will get het pieds, to breed back and get more pieds. If you miss the odds, you got a normal female, then some of the babies will be hets and some will be normals.
They are inexpensive, because there is a chance you are getting a normal. But if you can afford only them, you can get real bargains when the odds come up in your favor.
Think this way, $100 for a poss het male and $400 for poss het female, and if you get great odds, you can make a piedbald snake worth $5000. With teh 2 years to raised them up of course.
Or if you ahve the money you can pay $5000 and get a piedbald. *I* don' thave enough to simply buy all piedbalds, so I have several het females, to breed to a het pied male. Some of my females are 100% and 3 are possibly het(66%). I REALLY want some pieds, for a project so I sank money into het pieds.
Umm, sorry I rambled on.
Wolfy

Heck rambling on sometimes helps when it comes to genetics lol.With my luck recently i think i might never have pieds even if i went with a pair of 100% hets:P .Someday i might just trade up for a pied,like i said might:oops: .

66% hets can be annoying to think about, because once they prove out, or dont, they become 0% or 100% , and are no longer 66% hets :P