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    Question Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    Alright, I know that there has been some good discusions about the Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripes but I have yet to find answers to a couple of questions.

    Has the Homozygous form of the Whirlwind / Spector been produced?

    If It has was there a visible difference between the Homozygous and Heterozygous forms? Pics if possible!

    Just curious! It would an awesome little breeding group to have a Homozygous male whirlwind / Spector and a couple Ivories to to pair him up with.... Think All Super Stripes!

    On another note. I know the project is still fairly young but has it been decided definitively that Whirlwind / Spector and Yellow Belly are mutations of the same gene?

    If so then you could also just do Super Stripe paired with a couple Ivories and get all Super Stripes and Ivories! That would be awesome too!


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    Re: Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    Quote Originally Posted by JAMills View Post


    On another note. I know the project is still fairly young but has it been decided definitively that Whirlwind / Spector and Yellow Belly are mutations of the same gene?

    Wow you made my head hurt trying to think about all that you just said!

    Think they did decide it was the same gene due to the fact that when the super stripe was bred to a normal female it was unable to reproduce itself.
    And to the best of my knowledge, from what I have heard and read, the homozygous form of the whirlwind/spector has not been produced yet. And if it has no one knows they have a homozygous one yet.

    I know this isnt real helpful but thats all I know about it.

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    Re: Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    Quote Originally Posted by JAMills View Post
    [...]Has the Homozygous form of the Whirlwind / Spector been produced?[...]
    as far as I know, the answer to that is "no"... in fact, from what I understand, nobody is even trying to hit the super yet... everybody is aiming for SuperStripe and SuperStripe combos I believe...

    Quote Originally Posted by JAMills View Post
    [...]On another note. I know the project is still fairly young but has it been decided definitively that Whirlwind / Spector and Yellow Belly are mutations of the same gene?
    from what I've read, a SuperStripe bred to normals doesn't produce any normals.. just Ivories and Spectors/Whirlwind/HetSuperStripe... so it does seem like Yellow Belly and Spector/Whirlwind are alleles (mutations of the same gene so to speak)...


    Quote Originally Posted by JAMills View Post
    If so then you could also just do Super Stripe paired with a couple Ivories and get all Super Stripes and Ivories! That would be awesome too!
    from what I understand, that would be correct!!

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    Re: Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    I have never heard of some of these. for those of us, less knowledgeable..
    Can you post pics of what these nice snakes look like?

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    Re: Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Montessa Python View Post
    I have never heard of some of these. for those of us, less knowledgeable..
    Can you post pics of what these nice snakes look like?

    TY
    Carol
    Try this link:
    http://imageevent.com/royalpythonrep...ripeballpython

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    Re: Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bristen View Post

    from what I've read, a SuperStripe bred to normals doesn't produce any normals.. just Ivories and Spectors/Whirlwind/HetSuperStripe... so it does seem like Yellow Belly and Spector/Whirlwind are alleles (mutations of the same gene so to speak)...
    Regards,
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    a super stripe to a normal would not give you an ivory! only yellowbellies and het superstripes

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    Re: Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    Quote Originally Posted by nixer View Post
    a super stripe to a normal would not give you an ivory! only yellowbellies and het superstripes
    good catch! That's what I really meant... some kind of brain fart I guess :| Sorry about that and thanks for pointing it out

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    Re: Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    The verdict is still not out on all of this. Mark Haas recently produced an Ivory with what he told me has Super Stripe head markings (could be an Ivory Super Stripe), from a Super Stripe to Yellow Belly breeding. That would kind of disprove the Yellow Belly and the Specter/Whirlwind/Het Super Stripe being on the same Allele theory.
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    Re: Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Albey View Post
    The verdict is still not out on all of this. Mark Haas recently produced an Ivory with what he told me has Super Stripe head markings (could be an Ivory Super Stripe), from a Super Stripe to Yellow Belly breeding. That would kind of disprove the Yellow Belly and the Specter/Whirlwind/Het Super Stripe being on the same Allele theory.
    id like to see pics because my ivory has markings that are close to what the superstripe has.
    even pastel ivories have this

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    Re: Whirlwind / Spector / Super Stripe Questions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Albey View Post
    The verdict is still not out on all of this. Mark Haas recently produced an Ivory with what he told me has Super Stripe head markings (could be an Ivory Super Stripe), from a Super Stripe to Yellow Belly breeding. That would kind of disprove the Yellow Belly and the Specter/Whirlwind/Het Super Stripe being on the same Allele theory.
    that's very interesting... however, a Super Stripe to a Yellow Belly would in fact produce Ivories if the same allele theory is correct... the real test will be if breeding that ivory to a normal produces any het SuperStripes... I personally doubt as I favor the same allele theory according to the results we've seen so far, I'd say it's the most plausible explanation... however, we can't be sure without further breeding.. anybody that has the SuperStripe project in hand appear to be aiming for more SuperStripes... so I'm sure we'll get more (probably lots) SuperStripe to normal breedings in 2009... what I'm curious about, is what the super Spector/Whirlwind will be? I think people should try to work on that one... could be something new, exciting and unexpected... who knows?

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