Which caramel lines are compatible?

[Shadera]

Just curious as to which caramel albino lines are compatible? How many different lines are there out there? Is there a breeder or two who consistently work to outcross stock to minimize or eliminate kinking problems?

Thanks!

[Royal Morphz]

Hate to say it but i think that they all are prown to kinking to some degree but as i am most often i may be wrong

[Shadera]

I understand that, but surely there is someone outcrossing the heck out of their lines rather than breeding sib to sib, to minimize this.

[Bill Buchman]

Hate to say it but i think that they all are prown to kinking to some degree but as i am most often i may be wrong

Most likely so I think as well Tim. Common thought thus far seems to be: breed Het to Het, outcross into different lines, and incubate at 86-87 degrees -- and incorporate any, and all, lucky "mojo" to which you have access. I am old school and therefore use a rabbit's foot and a penny I rub them both before and after every Caramel lock.

I am working with a SK Mohave Het Caramel male who will be covering Nerd line double hets for Glow and a few SK Hets. I also have an Upscale Caramel that I am breeding to some codoms this season. The plan is to work the Upscale line Caramel into the Nerd and SK down the road.

I'll make sure to post results after the season -- even the train wrecks if there is any...where is that rabbit's foot.

[Royal Morphz]

Yes i know the feeling I have a nice robust Caramel male over 400 grams and just over 6 months old and he is a permanent pet because i bought him as a kinked Caramel and have decided i dont need to work with Caramels that bad. I will be around long enough to see the lines become either more and more outcrossed or more and more kinked lol

[RandyRemington]

Bill, best of luck! I've long thought mojave caramel would be outrageous. The first two years after finding a mojave like girl in a pet store (found out this year she is not compatible) I tried to breed her to a possible het caramel male (the closest I could afford). Unfortunately she decided to take a few more years to finally produce and prove genetic in 07. Look forward to seeing your results to confirm if cross lines can help and also get a feel for how common the problem is (or hopefully isn't). And most of all to finally see a caramel mojave! I think one of the books has a hypo mojave incorrectly labeled as a caramel mojave but sounds like you have the chance to eventually produce the hypo caramel mojave which might be unreal.

[Bill Buchman]

Bill, best of luck! I've long thought mojave caramel would be outrageous. The first two years after finding a mojave like girl in a pet store (found out this year she is not compatible) I tried to breed her to a possible het caramel male (the closest I could afford). Unfortunately she decided to take a few more years to finally produce and prove genetic in 07. Look forward to seeing your results to confirm if cross lines can help and also get a feel for how common the problem is (or hopefully isn't). And most of all to finally see a caramel mojave! I think one of the books has a hypo mojave incorrectly labeled as a caramel mojave but sounds like you have the chance to eventually produce the hypo caramel mojave which might be unreal.

Thanks for the well-wishes Randy. My male is from a June 07 hatch and produced 1 nice clutch from a normal last season. If he were as an aggressive a breeder as my Butter , I would be counting my Caramel Mojaves. lol It is all on him -- the girls will do their part -- I think????

It is all just one big crap shoot...Daddy needs a new...CARAMEL MOJAVE!!!!

P.S. That hatchling labeled Caramel Mojave is a Hypo.

[dr del]

Hi,

I have seen people say that EB Noah has a line of caramels that don't seem to kink but I don't know how accurate that is. I know they seem to have a different colour cast to them - they look as though they have a lot more bluey/ purple to them in any of the photo's I have seen.


dr del

[Bill Buchman]

Hi,

I have seen people say that EB Noah has a line of caramels that don't seem to kink but I don't know how accurate that is. I know they seem to have a different colour cast to them - they look as though they have a lot more bluey/ purple to them in any of the photo's I have seen.


dr del

Derek, I have seen them -- they are SWEET!!! They also might not be Caramels??? They are high in contrast compared to the other Caramel lines. Don't think they have been crossed with others yet.

[briz]

Derek, I have seen them -- they are SWEET!!! They also might not be Caramels??? They are high in contrast compared to the other Caramel lines. Don't think they have been crossed with others yet.

Are they the same as the Crider line?