super cinnamon/super black pastel

[Pulcher]

I want to make one of these eventually but i have seen some of them with "duck billed" heads. Is there any way to prevent this? do both genes do this?

[AaronP]

To my knowledge it's case by case, and there are multiple lines of both Cinnamons and Black Pastels so I imagine it is possible that one of them doesn't have this problem.

[The Beast]

What exactly is a "duck billed head"?

Does someone have a picture?

[Pulcher]

http://www.ballpythonmorphs.com/daytona07/bhb23.jpg

Clearly defined "duck bill"

[PythonWallace]

I've seen this mentioned before. Does anyone know which lines this has happened with?

[Jyson]

I've seen this mentioned before. Does anyone know which lines this has happened with?

I think it occurs in all the lines, But from what I have heard, the Ian G. line is the least likely one to have these genetic flaws.

[OhhWatALoser]

i think it looks kinda cool, is there anything wrong with the duck bill besides it looks weird

[merdcme]

i too think its cool!

[MarkS]

I've heard that breeding different lines will lessen the effect, but I don't know if this is fact or rumor. I've seen some individuals that didn't have as pronounced of a duckbill as others and those have been from different lines, so I think it'll have to be something that's line bred out. Personally I don't worry about the duck bills myself, I don't think it detracts from the looks all that much. What I worry about is that the supers also show a propensity for occaisional kinking.

[NorthernRegius]

I too believe the issue may be resolved by breeding unrelated animals.

I remember back when I was researching both Cinnys & Black Pastels, the trait was first noted in Cinnys. Then I saw the 1st Sliver Bullet & knew I had to get in on the Black Pastels. I liked the funky patterns on them & how dark they are.

I contacted Chris @ GCR about an outstanding male they had & after speaking with him, he confirmed the animal was from the same WC group as Ian G's line. After I got my boy, I got an unrelated female & this year they produced this girl:



You'll note she has white on the sides of her face but no "duck bill":